# Print adhesion, too good? **URL:** \ **Category:** Creality Ender 5 / 5 Pro\ **Created:** [December 6, 2022, 6:55pm UTC](https://3dprintingspace.com/t/print-adhesion-too-good/4875 "2022-12-06T18:55:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![tundra-mountain](https://3dps-assets.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/3dprintingspace.com/tundra-mountain/32/6188_2.png) [@tundra-mountain](https://3dprintingspace.com/u/tundra-mountain)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 6:55pm UTC](https://3dprintingspace.com/t/print-adhesion-too-good/4875/1 "2022-12-06T18:55:39Z")
I recently obtained an ender 5 pro and am having problems with adhesion… to good when I pull the prints off, I end up with part of the first layer staying on the bed when I pull the prints off. when I increased the first layer print height, I reduced the amount left when I tried to scrape it off, I started to scratch the print surface. wondering if others have had this problem and if so, what you did to fix it? thanks ---
**Author:** ![Jason](https://3dps-assets.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/3dprintingspace.com/jason/32/6148_2.png) [@Jason](https://3dprintingspace.com/u/Jason)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 8:40pm UTC](https://3dprintingspace.com/t/print-adhesion-too-good/4875/2 "2022-12-06T20:40:04Z")
HI, @tundra-mountain what material are you printing and what surface are you printing it on? ---
**Author:** ![tundra-mountain](https://3dps-assets.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/3dprintingspace.com/tundra-mountain/32/6188_2.png) [@tundra-mountain](https://3dprintingspace.com/u/tundra-mountain)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 9:02pm UTC](https://3dprintingspace.com/t/print-adhesion-too-good/4875/3 "2022-12-06T21:02:07Z")
pla on the standard magnetic bed initial bed temps from 45-50 pulling off at room temperature (22-25) have going from initial layer thickness of .2 to .23 helped but not 100 percent. I have a print ending soon and will share pics ---
**Author:** ![Jason](https://3dps-assets.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/3dprintingspace.com/jason/32/6148_2.png) [@Jason](https://3dprintingspace.com/u/Jason)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2022, 9:58pm UTC](https://3dprintingspace.com/t/print-adhesion-too-good/4875/4 "2022-12-06T21:58:03Z")
ok, Will keep an eye out for the pics and see whats happening. ---
**Author:** ![tundra-mountain](https://3dps-assets.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/3dprintingspace.com/tundra-mountain/32/6188_2.png) [@tundra-mountain](https://3dprintingspace.com/u/tundra-mountain)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2022, 10:15pm UTC](https://3dprintingspace.com/t/print-adhesion-too-good/4875/5 "2022-12-07T22:15:31Z")
![IMG_0760](https://storage.3dprintingspace.com/original/2X/9/9769ea424d70295b0e6774ae4a7389043910ecd5.jpeg) here is a picture after the last print ---
**Author:** ![Jason](https://3dps-assets.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/3dprintingspace.com/jason/32/6148_2.png) [@Jason](https://3dprintingspace.com/u/Jason)\ **Post date:** [December 7, 2022, 10:39pm UTC](https://3dprintingspace.com/t/print-adhesion-too-good/4875/6 "2022-12-07T22:39:31Z")
initially, on first look, it seems like the first layer is too tight, Looks like the nozzle is melting into the bed which would make sense for what you are seeing. Can you post up a pic of the bottom layer or underside of the last print? ---
**Author:** ![tundra-mountain](https://3dps-assets.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/3dprintingspace.com/tundra-mountain/32/6188_2.png) [@tundra-mountain](https://3dprintingspace.com/u/tundra-mountain)\ **Post date:** [December 8, 2022, 6:12pm UTC](https://3dprintingspace.com/t/print-adhesion-too-good/4875/7 "2022-12-08T18:12:50Z")
![IMG_0766](https://storage.3dprintingspace.com/original/2X/0/07cd14239c45d9620e617b93efdb89db2f98530d.jpeg) the inital layer height was .23mm ---
**Author:** ![tundra-mountain](https://3dps-assets.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/3dprintingspace.com/tundra-mountain/32/6188_2.png) [@tundra-mountain](https://3dprintingspace.com/u/tundra-mountain)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2022, 5:56am UTC](https://3dprintingspace.com/t/print-adhesion-too-good/4875/8 "2022-12-09T05:56:14Z")
i waas just thunking there is an adjustment for the zerro stop should i touch this or is it best left factory? ---
**Author:** ![Jason](https://3dps-assets.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/3dprintingspace.com/jason/32/6148_2.png) [@Jason](https://3dprintingspace.com/u/Jason)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2022, 2:41pm UTC](https://3dprintingspace.com/t/print-adhesion-too-good/4875/9 "2022-12-09T14:41:08Z")
there is an adjustment, you can set it with Baby stepping for a print by print adjustment or if you need to move it at least a certain amount every time you would use the Z offset. You can set this up with an M851 command. To me it looks like the first layer is too close, I think you can quickly move this a bit to help your prints come off much easier. This article on the first layer helps visualize what it’s supposed to look like. > [@Setting up a perfect first Layer on your 3D printer](https://3dprintingspace.com/t/setting-up-a-perfect-first-layer-on-your-3d-printer/3024): > > Setting up a perfect first Layer on your 3D printer, (pictoral) The Purpose of the Article is to explain the process of adjusting for the best First layer while doing a print. There are several assumptions made for this document below is the list; Your 3D printer is set up plugged in and able to complete a successful “all axis home” Your belts and major mechanicals of the 3d printer are adjusted and functioning as they should be. Your Z offset is currently configured so that when you … ---
**Author:** ![tundra-mountain](https://3dps-assets.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/3dprintingspace.com/tundra-mountain/32/6188_2.png) [@tundra-mountain](https://3dprintingspace.com/u/tundra-mountain)\ **Post date:** [December 9, 2022, 8:26pm UTC](https://3dprintingspace.com/t/print-adhesion-too-good/4875/10 "2022-12-09T20:26:59Z")
i have been using this bed level test [Ender 3/5 Bed leveling G-CODE + test print + LCD STEPS UPDATE 28/11/19 by Ingenioso3D - Thingiverse](https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2969712) now to mess about with the screws to get it good ---
**Author:** ![tundra-mountain](https://3dps-assets.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/3dprintingspace.com/tundra-mountain/32/6188_2.png) [@tundra-mountain](https://3dprintingspace.com/u/tundra-mountain)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2022, 7:50pm UTC](https://3dprintingspace.com/t/print-adhesion-too-good/4875/11 "2022-12-13T19:50:28Z")
still havent got it worked out 100% but if i do a .25-.3 mm raft it works to peel off ok ---
**Author:** ![Jason](https://3dps-assets.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/3dprintingspace.com/jason/32/6148_2.png) [@Jason](https://3dprintingspace.com/u/Jason)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2022, 10:46pm UTC](https://3dprintingspace.com/t/print-adhesion-too-good/4875/12 "2022-12-13T22:46:03Z")
sure that would work, I may opt for a different print surface, maybe you just got a bum one? Usually they are not nearly this hard to get along with ---
**Author:** ![tundra-mountain](https://3dps-assets.b-cdn.net/user_avatar/3dprintingspace.com/tundra-mountain/32/6188_2.png) [@tundra-mountain](https://3dprintingspace.com/u/tundra-mountain)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2023, 11:47pm UTC](https://3dprintingspace.com/t/print-adhesion-too-good/4875/13 "2023-03-14T23:47:05Z")
@Jason received a new bed in the mail today as i have a job with a large print coming up. so all is good making sure my nozzle is distanced from the bed surface